Elma Kipp

Other Events:

• Reference Number: 7102
• Birth: 1838, Canada
• Residence: 1850, Elgin, Kane, Illinois, USA
• Residence: 1860, Elgin, Kane, Illinois, USA

Other Events:

• Reference Number: 7127
• Birth: 7 Mar 1809, Clinton Corners?, Dutchess Co., New York, USA
• Residence: 1840, Kane, Illinois, USA
• Residence: 18 Aug 1850, Elgin, Kane, Illinois, USA
• Residence: 1860, Elgin, Kane, Illinois, USA
• Residence: 1862, Illinois, USA
• Residence: 1870, Elgin, Kane, Illinois, USA
• Residence: 1880, Elgin, Kane, Illinois, USA

Caleb married Phoebe Mills on 8 May 1834 in Yarmouth Twp, Elgin County, Ontario, Canada. Phoebe (daughter of John Mills and Abigail Minard) was born on 11 Jul 1812 in Canada; died on 15 Aug 1900 in Rockford, Winnebago, Illinois, USA; was buried in Elgin, Cook County, Illinois, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events:

• Reference Number: 7126
• Residence: 1832
• Residence: 1850, Elgin, Kane, Illinois, USA
• Residence: 1860, Elgin, Kane, Illinois, USA
• Residence: 1861
• Residence: 1870, Elgin, Kane, Illinois, USA
• Residence: 1880, Elgin, Kane, Illinois, USA
• Residence: 1900, Elgin Ward 7, Kane, Illinois, USA

Other Events:

• Reference Number: 6988
• Residence: Yarmouth
• Residence: Yarmouth
• Birth: 1770, USA
• Residence: 1790, New Windsor, Ulster, New York, United States
• Residence: 1800, New Paltz, Ulster, New York; Looks like he is actually in Kingston next to New Paltz on census
• Residence: 18 Jan 1816, Adolphustown
• Residence: 1818, Yarmouth
• Residence: 1861, Yarmouth, Elgin, Canada West, Canada; Age: 91; MaritalStatus: Married; RelationToHead: Head

Notes:

He moved to Yarmouth by 1831 when he purchased 1200 acres, which were later split up between his six sons at 200 acres apiece.

quote from a message borad post in 2002: Hello Scott, The Kipps are mentioned several times in the book. The book begins with Jonathan Doan acquiring the property around what would be Sparta," Two years later He returned to Pennsylvania and reported so favorably that several heads of families, mostly Quakers, decided to return with him. They were John Kipp, William Harvey, Joseph Albertson, Samuel Scott, and John Mills." This was 1815. The John Kipp house still stands and is now known as the Sanderson House. There is a picture in the book of this house. There are several references to Jessie and Caleb Kipp in the book. I have come upon the Sparta Kipp,s many times in my research of my Mills, Minards, and Issac Moore families. Most of the men in Sparta men joined in the Canadian rebellion of 1837 / 1838, Jonathan Doan's son Joshua was the leader of the Sparta group, My grandfather (David Moore Black born 1887) told many stories of Isaac Moore during this time, Some of the stories are on an audio tape. They were all captured, Doan was hung, Isaac was acquitted, and Caleb Kipp was banished from the province for life. There is a lot of information on this. Contact me off line for a little more at blacknit@gte.net . David K Black in Kenmore Wa
Where The Record Is Found (Citation)
Familysearch.org
Kingston (New York). Trustees
Film 8626650, image 112 of 729, unpaginated
Minutes of the Trustees 1795-1816
Meeting the 5th day of December 1799
Describe The Record (Notes)
Meeting the 5th day of December 1799
"At the Request of John Mills Son-in-Law of James Minerd at Clyne Esopus or Poppletown Resolved to Execute a Durable Lease to said mills for the farm of 56 acres Late the possession of Daniel Olmstead who is Absconded for the sum of 110 pounds...& the Arrears of the Rent Supposing abt 33 pounds Together 143 pounds
The Said Mills Accepted of the Resolution"
On the 19th of December Ichabod and Daniel Olmstead met with the trustees and requested that the Trustees disannul the bargain with Mills...the Trustees declined.
This record is the only record that confirms that John Mills was married to a daughter of James Mined (Minard), elsewhere that daughter is show to be Abigail Minard.
Source Date
8 February 1800
Where The Record Is Found (Citation)
Ulster County Mortgages, 1767-1851
Film DGS 8201554
Vol. 9, Page 101-103, Images 60 and 61 of 591
Register of mortgage
Mortgagee: John Mills of Rochester, Ulster County
Mortgagor: Trustees of Town of Kingston
Mortgage date: 8 Feb 1800
Registered: 22 Mar 1800
What: Dwelling house, barn and land in Clyne Esopus or Poppletown within the bounds of Kingston
Description: Metes and bounds given starting with a marked buttonwood tree standing in a brook on the bounds of Hendrick Lits...bounds of Clark... back to the beginning, 56 acres.
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Describe The Record (Notes)
NOTE: This documents that John Mills moved from Rochester to Kingston.
From Elgin County, Ontario Probate Records
Place: Yarmouth, Elgin, Ontario
Died: 25 Apr 1864
Probate Filed: 18 May 1864
Executor: Isaac Mills, Samuel Hathaway
Heirs:
Wife Abigail
Children of deceased son Samuel: William, George Washington, Almira
Children of deceased son Cornelius: Minard, Ira, Daniel, William
Sons: David, James, Isaac, John
Daughters: Sarah Doan, Phebe Kipp

This represents the 8 children that we have on record for him. Note that mills john probate 2.jpg is a schedule of who owes him money. The first and the the largest ($464) in the list is owed by Abner, isaac and Amasa Chase.

From the Marlborough Monthly Meeting: 24 Oct 1810 John Mills and wife Abigail of New Paltz, NY requested certificate of removal to the Adolphus Monthly meeting in Upper Canada.
From the Adolphus Monthly Meeting of women: 21 Mar 1811 The certificate from the Marlborough Meeting for Abigail Mills is accepted.
From the Adolphus Monthly Meeting of women:18 Jan 1816. Abigail Mills and her husband John requested a certificate of removal to the Junious (NY) Monthly meeting
From the Norwich (Hicksite) Meeting of women: 22 May 1820 Abigail Mills, wife of John Mills has her certificate of removal from the Junious (NY) Monthly Meeting accepted by the Norwich (Canada) Meeting.
From the Norwick Monthly Meeting of women: May 1830 Abigail Mill's name appears on a membership list.
In the 1800 Federal Census we find John Mills in New Paltz. The census has his age between 26 and 45, which fits with an age of approximate 30. The census show 4 males and zero females under the age of 10. We show 3 males and 0 females within that age range. (the number 4 in the males box is indistinct and could conceivably be a one. By comparing it with other 4’s on the page, I believe it to be a 4). There is 1 other Mills in Ulster County on the 1800 census, that is James Mills (incorrectly indexed on ancestry as James Miler) who is in Rochester. His age is over 45.
From:https://elgin.ogs.on.ca/ancestor-indexes/cemetery-transcriptions/yarmouth-sparta-friends-quaker/
Abigail MILLS / died / the 27th of 9th month / 1864 / AE 94 yrs / 4 mo & 16 ds /
John MILLS Sen’r / died / the 25th of 4th mo / 1864 / AE 93 yrs / 7 mo & 16 ds /


Birth:
gravestone age at death.

John married Abigail Minard before 1790 in New York, USA. Abigail (daughter of James Minard and Abigail Camp) was born on 11 May 1770 in New York, USA; died on 27 Sep 1864 in Sparta, Elgin, Ontario, Canada; was buried in Sparta, Elgin, Ontario, Canada. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events:

• Reference Number: 6989
• Residence: 1800, New Paltz, Ulster, New York
• Residence: 24 Oct 1810, New Paltz, Ulster, New York, USA
• Residence: 21 Mar 1811, Norwich, Ontario, Canada
• Residence: Between 1816 and 1820, Junius, Seneca, New York, USA
• Residence: 18 Jan 1816, Adolphustown
• Residence: 22 May 1820, Norwich, Oxford, Ontario, Canada
• Residence: May 1830, Norwich, Ontario, Canada
• Residence: 1861, Elgin, Ontario, Canada

Notes:

Also, FindAGrave has a specific birth date on son James in Dutchess County 20 Aug 1793 and on son Cornelius in Junius 16 Oct 1795. I have no confirmation of either place or either date.
We do have a Quaker document which states brother Samuel was born in Esopus, Ulster County, NY in 1797.

In the 1800 Federal Census we find John Mills in New Paltz. The census has his age between 26 and 45, which fits with an age of approximate 30. The census show 4 males and zero females under the age of 10. We show 3 males and 0 females within that age range. (the number 4 in the males box is indistinct and could conceivably be a one. By comparing it with other 4’s on the page, I believe it to be a 4). There is 1 other Mills in Ulster County on the 1800 census, that is James Mills (incorrectly indexed on ancestry as James Miler) who is in Rochester. His age is over 45.

From the Marlborough Monthly Meeting: 24 Oct 1810 John Mills and wife Abigail of New Paltz, NY requested certificate of removal to the Adolphus Monthly meeting in Upper Canada.
From the Adolphus Monthly Meeting of women: 21 Mar 1811 The certificate from the Marlborough Meeting for Abigail Mills is accepted.
From the Adolphus Monthly Meeting of women:18 Jan 1816. Abigail Mills and her husband John requested a certificate of removal to the Junious (NY) Monthly meeting
From the Norwich (Hicksite) Meeting of women: 22 May 1820 Abigail Mills, wife of John Mills has her certificate of removal from the Junius (NY) Monthly Meeting accepted by the Norwich (Canada) Meeting.
From the Norwick Monthly Meeting of women: May 1830 Abigail Mill's name appears on a membership list.

Birth:
from age at death

Notes:

Married:
based on first child

Other Events:

• Name: James Minard
• Name: James/Junior Minard
• Reference Number: 7118
• Residence: 1790, Kingston, Ulster, New York, United States; Name appears as James Minard Jr
• Residence: 1800, New Paltz, Ulster, New York
• Residence: 1800, Kingston, Ulster, New York; Name appears as James Minard Jr
• Residence: 1812, Connecticut

Notes:

In the 1800 Federal Census in Ulster County we only show two possible Minard families. They are both entered on the census record in New Paltz as Miner. There is a James Miner and a Joel Miner. In both 1790 and 1810 we find no Miners, however we do find Minards in Ulster County in both of those years. I believe the name spelling was an error by the census taker. Possibly Junior in Kingston is the father and James in New Paltz is James the III.

The 1800 census for James Miner in New Paltz shows:
males under 10 two
males 10-16 one
males over 45 one
females 10-16 one
females 16 to 26 2 two
females over 45 1

The 1790 census has James Minard Jr in Kingston, Ulster, New York,

Notes from Descendants of James & Abigail (Camp) Minard : Quakers of Ulster County, NY by Ross W McCurdy 2011:
James Minard married Abigail Camp, daughter of Isaac Camp and Sarah Clark. They had twelve known children. He was living in Lebanon, Connecticut in 1771 and Kingston, New York in 1799. Descendants and relatives lived mainly in New York and Ontario.

Birthdate-Our best guess is about 1745, based upon wife being born 1747 and children starting 1768, however that is just a guess.

Many trees have James C. Minard. Where did the 'C' come from? I finally figured that out. Massachusetts vital records have a James C. Minard dying in Attleboro, Mass 6 Mar 1835 at age 45. That means born 1790. That cannot be our guy.

Related to the above, many trees have a death date of 6 Mar 1835. Again wrong person.

Many trees have parents of David Minard and Rebeckah Richards. Where did that come from? In the Early Connecticut Vital Records we have David Minard marrying Rebeckah Richards on 20 Mar 1722. In the Barbour collection we have James 'Menoid' son of David and Rebeckah born 2 Dec 1729. David and Rebeckah also have 3 other children Andrew 12 Dec 1724, David 30 Nov 1722 and Sarah 6 Jan 1727. We also see some trees having 1729 as James Birth date. As our James was having children as late as 1797, it is safe to say that is not our James. However, it is possible that James is the father of our James. We currently have no evidence pointing to that, though.

Death date-We already know that 1835 is incorrect. We have found a Quaker marriage record in Marlborough, New York for 'William Minard, son of James and Abigail (both deceased), and Keziah Young'. William is already in our tree as a son, Keziah would be a 2nd wife later in life. That record is dated 2 Jul 1834. Thus both James and Abigail died prior to that date.

That marriage record is located at https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/173411-quaker-meeting-records-state-of-new-york-ulster-county-columbia-county-albany-county-clinton-county?viewer=1&offset=0#page=88&viewer=flip&o=info&n=0&q= Unfortunately the link only takes you to the beginning of the book. You would have to scroll to page 89. A quicker way is to click on the thumbnails icon on the bottom of the page (the 2nd icon from the bottom left) Then look for thumbnail 89 and click on it.

A James Minard served in the Connecticut Militia during the Revolutionary War. We do not know if that was the same person.


Birth:
based on children born 1768-1797 and spouses age

Died:
son William refers to father as deceased

James married Abigail Camp. Abigail (daughter of Isaac Camp and Sarah Clark) was born about 1747; died before 1834; was buried in Milford, New Haven County, Connecticut, United States of America. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events:

• Reference Number: 7119
• Residence: 1800, New Paltz, Ulster, New York

Notes:

Marriage record of son, William Minard 25 Sep 1834 in Marlborough, New York states "son of James and Abigail Minard, both deceased".

Birth:
based on children born 1768-1797

Died:
son William refers to mother as deceased