Johann Philipp Rosenthal

Other Events:

• Reference Number: 5467
• Residence: 1850, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH120
• Residence: 1857, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH133

Family/Spouse: Unknown. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Johannes Rosenthal was born on 6 Oct 1867 in Kukkus, Samara, Russia.
2. Johann Georg Rosenthal was born on 12 Aug 1870 in Kukkus, Samara, Russia.

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• Name: Johann Philipp Rosental
• Name: Philipp Rosental
• Name: Philipp Rosenthal
• Reference Number: 3493
• Residence: 1816, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH47
• Residence: 1834, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH85
• Residence: 1850, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH120
• Residence: 1857, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH133

Notes:

We cannot be sure when he changed spouses. Maternal parentage of children is in question.

Johann married Anna Elisabeth Unknown. Anna was born in 1811. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events:

• Reference Number: 3698
• Residence: 1834, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH85

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• Name: Andreas Rosental
• Reference Number: 2139
• Residence: 1798, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH19

Andreas married Katharina Margareta Becker. Katharina (daughter of Johann Jakob Becker) was born in 1777. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events:

• Reference Number: 2140
• Residence: 1798, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH19

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• Name: Andreas Rosental
• Reference Number: 2133
• Birth: 1727, Selzen, Kurpfalz, Germany
• Arrival: 18 Jun 1766, Oranienbaum, Saint Petersburg, Russia
• Residence: 1767, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH18
• Arrival: 26 Jun 1767, Kukkus, Samara, Russia
• Residence: 1798, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH18

Notes:

1766 Kuhlberg List #857
Andreas Rosental
The "Anna Catharina", skipper Adolph Scharpenberg 18 June 1766
Ref, farmer from Pfalz
Wife: Elisabeth
Children: Johann 12, Jakob 11, Maria 9, Margaretha 6

1767 Kukkus First Settler List #18
Andreas Rosenthal
Age 40, ref, farmer from Selzen, Kurpfalz
Wife: Dorothea 27
Children from first marriage: Johannes 15, Maria Elisabeth 11, Maria Margaretha 8

Elisabeth died 1766 or later. New wife Dorothea had first child 1767. Child Jakob did not make it to Kukkus.

Andreas married Dorothea Unknown between 1766 and 1767 in Russia. Dorothea was born in 1740. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events:

• Reference Number: 2361
• Residence: 1767, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH18
• Arrival: 26 Jun 1767, Kukkus, Samara, Russia

Notes:

His first wife died 1766 or after. The first child with Dorothea born 1767.

Other Events:

• Name: Jakob Becker
• Reference Number: 2284
• Birth: 1755
• Birth: 1757, Braunfels, Hesse, Germany
• Arrival: 8 Aug 1766, Oranienbaum, Saint Petersburg, Russia
• Residence: 1767, Kukkus, Samara, Russia; HH27
• Arrival: 26 Jun 1767, Kukkus, Samara, Russia

Notes:

Johann Bernhard Becker born 25 Feb 1714 in Berghausen, Braunfels, Hesse, Germany and died there on 5 Feb 1760. On 26 Jun 1767 his widow Anna Maria and six of their children arrived in Kukkus, Samara, Russia as part of the original colonist group. In 1767 3 of the male children had established their own household, Johann Adam, David and Balzar. Jacob and Wilhlem were living with their mother and new husband, Christian Herbel. Jacob and Wilhelm would eventually form their own family group, leaving a total of 5 Becker households in Kukkus.
On the 1798 census in HH50 we have 3 children without parents. Apparently their father had recently died. They were born 1780, 1782 and 1784. Their father would be one of the 5 male children of Bernhard and Anna Maria. According to the 1798 census Johann Wilhelm and Baltasar were still living in 1798, thus neither can be the father. Johann Adam died before 1770, thus he cannot be the father. That leaves David and Johann Jakob. Although David had died after 1793, his six younger children in 1798 were in HH14 with his widow. Those children were born 1777, 1782, 1785, 1788, 1790 and 1793. It does not make sense that 3 children born 1780, 1782 and 1784 would be living in another household in 1798 as orphans. Those children are in a different family group. That leaves Johann Jakob as the only possibility for the father of these 3 children.
On the 1811 Census it shows Heinrich Andreas Becker (who is one of the 3 children in 1798 HH50) living in HH19 with Andreas Rosenthal who is married to Katharina Margaretha Becker b. 1777. Thus suggesting that Katherina is also a member of Johann Jakob's family. The two other children were females. The 1811 census only shows males.


Birth:
Y

Birth:
place of origin

Died:
not on 1798 census